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R680 - Radeon HD3870 X2

Smeli (2302)|8.11.2007 09:16
Také se kvapem blíží, ten čas ale jde rychle... nu, co se ví:

2x RV670XT

jádro: 2x RV670 - 55nm - unifikovaná architektura
počet tranzistorů: 666 milionů x2
takt jádra: 825MHz
paměťová sběrnice: 256-bit
paměť: 512MB GDDR3 x2
takt pamětí: 900 (1800)MHz
počet stream jednotek: 320 x2
ROP's / TMU's: 8/16 x2




Dle TheInq již existují funkční vzorky karet, dle Nordicu by karty mohly příjít na konci tohoto roku (oficiálně dle roadmap mají přijít v Q1 2008)

[QUOTE=NordicHardware.com]Reports regarding the so called R680 have been appearing here and there on the web. No one is completely certain what this "chip" is suppose to be, but the most frequently occurring guess is that R680 is not the name of an actual GPU, but a card sporting two RV670 circuits side by side on one PCB. The codename has appeared on a number of leaked slides by now, but we're still not certain when the chip is suppose to arrive. From what we've heard, the development of the two-chip card is coming along nicely, and an optimistic source says that the card could even be launched before the end of the year. Even though the source was optimistic about it, we're certainly not promising anything.[/QUOTE]

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7026.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/117,news-117.html
Smeli (2302)|9.11.2007 20:45
Na kartu s dvěmi GPU vypadá dobře, nemyslíte? :)

[QUOTE=TheINQ.net]N FEBRUARY 2004, a game appeared from nowhere. The name of that game was Far Cry, and it transformed a small team from Germany into international gaming megastars.

It spurred a graphics card bonanza, one repeated by by Doom 3 and Half-Life 2, with the market massively going for Athlon 64+Nforce3/4 systems with Geforce 6800GT, 6800 Ultra for high-end and Geforce 6600 for mainstream.

Now the circle has turned again, with the release of Hellgate: London, Gears of War, Unreal Tournament 3 and Crysis. The time to get a new computer is now, and if you're asking yourself what would be the best $500 present under the Christmas tree, answer is two 8800GT or two 3870s, not an 8800GTX or 8800Ultra.

But, if you're willing to wait, this is what AMD has in store for January release.

Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is HD 3870 X2...

RV670 times two, 512MB GDDR4 memory times two, DVI-HDMI adapter - times two, DisplayPort... erm...

As you can see, this longer board is on the trail of the 8800GTX/Ultra PCB. Unusually, there is no significant increase in the height of the board, meaning this dual-GPU card will fit it a more compact chassis.

The price of 3870 X2 will be between 399 and 499 USD/EUR, 249 and 299 quids (yes, life sucks in Bligthy).

RV670 chips are working at 750+ MHz each. 775 MHz should be reachable by launch time. Who knows, maybe even 800 MHz for the GPU. When it comes to overclocking, we have no idea at the moment, but the memory should be able to work at 2.25 GHz, yielding in combined bandwidth of 144 GB/s. Not too shabby.

Also, with R680, AMD is hoping to finally close the circle the compnay opened with Rage Fury MAXX. This card was hailed by none other than Dave Orton as the first multi-GPU product. But as we all know, there was a small company called 3dfx that did that some years before ATI kicked in. The only problem that Rage Fury MAXX had, was the fact that if you chose to use Windows 2000, Windows XP, or just about any operating system other than Win98/Me, you'd be sitting dead in the water.

With two RV670s inside, owners of this card will have a future since this board will come to market as 3870 X2 and FireStream 9170 X2, albeit with double or quadruple amount of memory (probably GDDR3, not GDDR4). R700 is also bringing MCM concept in the world of GPUs, so we're heading to one very, very interesting year.

Bear in mind that the G92_300 series, or D8E, the GeForce 8850GX2 or 8950GX2, whatever Nvidia marketeers figure it out to be - is also a dual-chip board. It is widely expected that Nvidia's card will be the same as 7900GX2 and 7950GX2, or a dual-PCB connected with 20-or-so connecting pins, all working in harmony with Nvidia's BR04 chip.

Radeon HD 3850, 3870, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT (and soon new G92-based GTS), and now Radeon HD 3870 X2 and Nvidia GeForce 8xx0GX2. Life doesn't get boring in the 3D industry. µ[/QUOTE]
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/09/inq-reveals-r680-radeon-hd-3870
Pavel Boček (4169)|9.11.2007 20:52
Jak to bude nakonec...? Zatím vidím jen spekulace či je to zaonačený že z toho člověk nevidí ani hrušky ani jabka...takže jednoznačně řečeno...R680=2xRV670 on PCB nebo R680=2xRV670 on die...?
Smeli (2302)|16.11.2007 09:52
[QUOTE=Pavel Boček;61519]Jak to bude nakonec...? Zatím vidím jen spekulace či je to zaonačený že z toho člověk nevidí ani hrušky ani jabka...takže jednoznačně řečeno...R680=2xRV670 on PCB nebo R680=2xRV670 on die...?[/QUOTE]

R680 = 2x RV670Pro (HD3850) na jednom PCB


[QUOTE=vr-zone.com]Legit Reviews scored a photo on a Phenom system with a pair of Radeon HD 3870 X2 (R680) cards running in Crossfire mode. There are two RV670 GPUs and a total of 1GB GDDR4 memories on each card therefore this makes the card much longer. It seems that only one Crossfire bridge connector is needed to link both the cards up. The Tripod/Quad Crossfire beta drivers will be available next month and lots of work have to be done to make the performance scaling better. As always, CPU will be the bottleneck when more cards are installed. VR-Zone learned that Nvidia is planning a R680 killer with D9E, a dual G92 solution. Basically, it is two G92 cards slapped together like the previously GX2 card. There is no D8E if you are wondering. D9E is expected to launch in February next year to meet head on against R680.[/QUOTE]
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_D9E_To_Fight_AMD_R680/5404.html
Pavel Boček (4169)|17.11.2007 19:52
[QUOTE="Fudzilla"]We told you that AMD will demonstrate its R680 card based on two RV670 chips and we got a bit more than we expected.

AMD showcased Call of Duty 4 running on two of these cards and eventually got it out for us, as well. The most interesting thing is that the card is dual slot, as expected, has two GPU's on it with a rather interesting 777 MHz clock and two power connectors, a 3x2 pin and one 4x2 pin.

Here is how it looks inside, detailed pics to follow.[/QUOTE]






http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4250&Itemid=1

[QUOTE="Fudzilla"]We were patient enough to ask the AMD guys to take the cards out and David, the Product Manager for this baby, as well as Ian, agreed that we can take detailed pictures of these cards. We managed to get some quite exclusive pictures of these cards here.

The two chips have their own memory, two power connectors, and each card has a single Crossfire bridge; not two that you can see with 3870 cards, but probably one of the bridges is built in internally on the card.

If all goes well the driver will come in January and so will the cards. The hardware looks quite ready, we touched the cooler, it is not that bad, but we are still talking about 200+W for a single card. Well, that's the power price of performance.[/QUOTE]




http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4251&Itemid=1

Edit by Smeli: moved. Open your eyes please :)
Pavel Boček (4169)|17.11.2007 20:51
[SIZE="1"]Same to you men ;) Co je R680...? To měl být ČIP. Jeden. Já tu vidím dvě jádra R680, což prostě není 2xRV670. R680 vlastně není. Je jen RV670 a to karty Radeon HD 3850, 3870 a 3870 X2. Takže to prosím přejmenuj když to chceš cpát sem na RV670/Radeon HD 3870 X2. Nebo to vrať do RV670/Radeon HD 3870 či jak se to menuje...[/SIZE]
Smeli (2302)|17.11.2007 20:57
[QUOTE=Pavel Boček;64055][SIZE="1"]Same to you men ;) Co je R680...? To měl být ČIP. Jeden. Já tu vidím dvě jádra R680, což prostě není 2xRV670. R680 vlastně není. Je jen RV670 a to karty Radeon HD 3850, 3870 a 3870 X2. Takže to prosím přejmenuj když to chceš cpát sem na RV670/Radeon HD 3870 X2. Nebo to vrať do RV670/Radeon HD 3870 či jak se to menuje...[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

R680 je oficiálně 2x RV670, si natvrdlý?
Pavel Boček (4169)|17.11.2007 20:59
[QUOTE=Smeli;64057]R680 je oficiálně 2x RV670, si natvrdlý?[/QUOTE]

Tak buď je to pěkná kravina anebo to co sem postnul není to co to má být, ale prostě obyčejná úprava se dvěma jádry. Každopádně R680 je označení čipu se dvěma jádry, ne dvou čipů s jedním jádrem :stupid
Smeli (2302)|17.11.2007 21:12
Fudzzila má většinou plnou hubu keců, přečti si alespoň první dva posty
Smeli (2302)|23.11.2007 08:30


[QUOTE]Here’s a clear pic of R680. Pls keep in mind that this is a engineer sample. There’s already some pic about this sexy card earlier.

Both cores’ frequency are 777MHz, the same as HD 3870’s. And R680 is using 1GB GDDR3 memory. Source indicate that the retail version’s frequency is still unidentified.

We guess the two big fin sets are still using HD 3870’s old one. So it is a copper-based-aluminum-fin design. So the two fin set and a bigger fan powerful enough to handle two RV670XT GPU?[/QUOTE]

http://en.expreview.com/?p=49
filky (197)|23.11.2007 12:54
Jestli to chapu dobre tak R680 se ted bude rikat karte co ma 2x R670 ? :D

Nekomu u ATI ruplo v kouli ne?
Klingacikx (1545)|23.11.2007 15:05
[quote=filky;65596]Jestli to chapu dobre tak R680 se ted bude rikat karte co ma 2x R670 ? :D

Nekomu u ATI ruplo v kouli ne?[/quote]
Proste.... nerieš:shut
filky (197)|23.11.2007 15:32
[QUOTE=Klingacikx;65642]Proste.... nerieš:shut[/QUOTE]

:cry

Ale je dobre, ze budou vice propagovat Crossfire, SLI a paralelne vic nez jeden cip na boardu. Myslim, ze je to spravna cesta aspon do doby, nez to dokazou hodit na jeden cip stejne jako jsou dnes procaky.
Smeli (2302)|7.1.2008 06:55
Nereferenční design karty od Uniky... paměti jsou jen z jedná strany, proto delší PCB (jako 8800GTX)




http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/261/261181_1.shtml
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=17496&catid=2
Smeli (2302)|14.1.2008 10:08
HD3870 X2 za chodu: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
flanker (1579)|15.1.2008 12:37
vykon r680 v 3dmark06 2560x1900, odpovida zhruba dvojnasobku vykonu single hd3870 v tomto rozliseni:

Smeli (2302)|16.1.2008 13:07
Datum vydání: 23. ledna 2008
Cena: 449$

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35629/135/


Pokud budou obchodníci fair, znamená to cenu okolo devíti tisíc, pokud to zas bude ojro = dolar, máme cenu přes 11 tisíc :(
Smeli (2302)|17.1.2008 08:41
R680 finalní takty:

825MHz jádro
1800MHz paměti
110W lowest TDP w/ PowerPlay
190W max. TDP w/ PowerPlay



http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=15109&extra=page%3D1
Smeli (2302)|22.1.2008 09:26
Smeli (2302)|24.1.2008 08:30
A tímhle se vysvětluje, proč bylo vydání nového high endu posunuto zpátky na 28.1. :)

[QUOTE]VR-Zone has learned that Radeon display driver 8.45 v1.3 will improve performance and compatibility on the Radeon HD 3870 X2 over the current 8.45 v1.0 driver. The current set of driver is facing performance issues with games right now so benchmarks on this set of drivers are not reflective on the actual gaming performance yet. The new set of driver will be out before 28th January according to AMD.[/QUOTE]

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_8.45_v1.3_Driver_To_Improve_3870_X2_Performance/5530.html
johny__g (6387)|24.1.2008 09:35
HD3870X2 v podání ASUSU - jiný (lepší) chladič, 0,8 ns paměti, 4 x DVI.

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_EAH3870X2_Photos_%26_Specs/5525.html
filky (197)|24.1.2008 13:33
[QUOTE=johny__g;83860]HD3870X2 v podání ASUSU - jiný (lepší) chladič, 0,8 ns paměti, 4 x DVI.

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_EAH3870X2_Photos_%26_Specs/5525.html[/QUOTE]

To jako ten asus fouka ten teplej vzduch zpet do skrine. Tak to se jim moc nepovedlo rekl bych a rozhodne bych to nenazval lepsim chladicem.
Smeli (2302)|24.1.2008 13:51
[QUOTE=filky;83892]To jako ten asus fouka ten teplej vzduch zpet do skrine. Tak to se jim moc nepovedlo rekl bych a rozhodne bych to nenazval lepsim chladicem.[/QUOTE]

Největší výhodou jsou 4 DVI, kvůli kterým ani ten vzduch vyfukovat z case nelze...
filky (197)|24.1.2008 17:27
[QUOTE=Smeli;83900]Největší výhodou jsou 4 DVI, kvůli kterým ani ten vzduch vyfukovat z case nelze...[/QUOTE]

To jsem pochopil. Nejak si nedokazu predstavit vyuziti a to pouzivam 2 monitory, ale muze se to hodit, to je pravda.
flanker (1579)|27.1.2008 21:03
recenze na nejakem cinskem webu, kterou jsem jeste nevidel doposud...

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/266/266637_3.shtml
Smeli (2302)|5.3.2008 06:47
Co na to říct, snad jen good job ATi :thumb

HD3870 X2 GDDR4, můžem jen doufat, že již s novým PLX a A12 revizí RV670





http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,634668/News/Cebit_2008_Radeon_HD3870_X2_mit_GDDR4-Speicher_und_kurzem_PCB/
Pavel Boček (4169)|7.4.2008 22:30
Pro odlehčení :)

[QUOTE="Fudzilla"]The fastest card in the world is 3870 X2

We were surprised to learn that Futuremark's new Virtualmark benchmark makes you believe that a heavily overclocked Radeon 3870 X2 is the fastest graphics card around.

Virtual mark actually compares the scores of your machine to similar systems and usually gets you some approximate score. At least it's fast but we wouldn't count on much accuracy.

The machine with Core 2 Extreme QX9650 quad-core at 5820MHz with Radeon 3870 X2 probably in Crossfire X scores 32513 Virtual marks. This looks to be the fastest card around and we suspect that we are talking about two dual chip Radeon 3870 X2s and that both CPU and GPUs are heavily overclocked.

The common reason tells us that Geforce 9800 GX2 in quad-SLI should be the fastest system around, but not according to Virtualmark. I guess that ATI simply clocks and scores better.



You can try to run it yourself here.[/QUOTE]

Možné jsou i další příčiny...kupř. nikdo zatím dvě GeForce 9800 GX2 nezkoušel...nedá se to uchladit/přetaktovat...je to bazmek a nedá se to společně s nForce dobře taktovat...kdo ví ?
pegy (757)|8.4.2008 16:16
[QUOTE=Pavel Boček;109682]Možné jsou i další příčiny...kupř. nikdo zatím dvě GeForce 9800 GX2 nezkoušel...nedá se to uchladit/přetaktovat...je to bazmek a nedá se to společně s nForce dobře taktovat...kdo ví ?[/QUOTE]
Asi je to tym, ze 2x 9800GX2 este neskusali, ale je mozne, ze to zatial nepodporuju ovladace.
S chladenim no pri vysokych OC je mozne ze to karty nezvladaju, ako som niekde cital pri dosiahnuti 105 C sa karty automaticky podtaktuju aby sa neodpalili...
Inak je pekne, ze tie 3870X2 boli chladen vzduchom :)
pegy (757)|18.4.2008 01:41
Hmm tak toto vyzera zaujimavo ATi HD3870X2 DX 10.1 +SP1 VISTA ... Co si o tom myslite, JA mozem len povedat, ze sa to dalo cakat, ale otazkou je kolko hier to fakt vyuzije ;)
Jerome82 (201)|27.4.2008 18:16
No,myslím,že časem některé hry to podporovat budou,ale ten nárust mi zas tak úžasný nepřijde..
Janyk1 (997)|27.4.2008 18:20
Imho i stávající hry mohou dostat DX10.1 patch, ne? Ale nvm, jestli se to vyplati.
pegy (757)|28.4.2008 22:13
[QUOTE=Janyk1;117064]Imho i stávající hry mohou dostat DX10.1 patch, ne? Ale nvm, jestli se to vyplati.[/QUOTE]

No dostat by ho mohli, ale vies ako je to s pridavnymi patchmi, vecsinou stoja len za marketing, nez za realny prinos (nepocitam do tochto opravne patche, tie fakt mozu pomoct) ;)

[QUOTE=Jerome82;117059]No,myslím,že časem některé hry to podporovat budou,ale ten nárust mi zas tak úžasný nepřijde..[/QUOTE]
No je pravda, ze zatial to nejak masove vyuzitie mat nebude, ale je fajn, ze mozes od toho cakat lepsie vysledky a pripadne zadne dvierka do buducna, aj ked je uplne mozne, ze dotoho casu uz vymenis VGA... ;)